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Lecture 4: Plato's Phaedo Introduction; Arguments for the Soul, Part II

4. Introduction to Plato's Phaedo; Arguments for the existence of the soul, Part II on YouTube

Study guide

What this lecture covers

The lecture opens with a short introduction to Plato's Phaedo, the dialogue the course will read next, explaining its dramatic setting at Socrates' death and how to read Socrates' arguments as representing Plato's own views. It then returns to the ongoing search for a feature of people that only a soul could explain, working through thinking, feeling and creativity using science-fiction and real-world computer examples.

By the end, you should understand why Kagan finds the reasoning and creativity arguments for a soul unconvincing, why the argument from consciousness (qualia) is harder to dismiss, and how the lecture sets up the free will argument that the next lecture will examine closely.

Key ideas

  • Reading Plato's dialogues: the character Socrates generally stands in for Plato's own philosophical views, though scholars distinguish early, middle and late dialogues on how closely this holds.
  • Chess-playing programs don't brute-force search: the best programs succeed the way strong human players do, by using learned strategies, not by calculating every possible game.
  • Reasoning doesn't require a soul: since machines can be described as having beliefs, desires and strategies, Kagan argues that reasoning alone can't prove a soul exists.
  • Behavioral vs. experiential feeling: emotions have a behavioral side (acting to avoid danger), which machines can replicate, and an experiential or qualitative side (what fear actually feels like), which is harder to explain physically.
  • Qualia: the philosophical term for the qualitative character of experience, such as what it is like to see red, which Kagan treats as a genuinely open problem for physicalism.
  • 'Don't see how' is not 'see that it's impossible': Kagan compares consciousness today to explaining plant life in the fourteenth century, arguing that not having a physical explanation yet doesn't mean one is impossible.
  • Creativity doesn't require a soul: chess programs, theorem-proving software and music-generating programs producing genuinely novel results challenge the claim that creativity proves we're more than physical.
  • The free-will argument (previewed): 1) we have free will, 2) nothing subject to determinism has free will, 3) all purely physical systems are subject to determinism, therefore we are not purely physical.

Walkthrough

Introducing Plato's Phaedo (0:01)

Kagan gives background on the Phaedo, set on the day Socrates is executed, and explains the scholarly convention of treating Socrates' arguments in the dialogue as Plato's own, with caveats about the differences between early and late dialogues.

Reasoning revisited: how chess programs actually work (8:13)

He explains that top chess programs, like strong human players, rely on learned strategy rather than exhaustive search, reinforcing last lecture's point that physical systems can reason without needing a soul.

Could a machine feel? (14:21)

Using science-fiction robots (the Lost in Space robot, Marvin, HAL 9000), Kagan argues it's natural to describe machines as afraid or depressed based on their behavior, but distinguishes this behavioral side of emotion from its experiential, felt side.

Qualia and the limits of physicalism (21:31)

The lecture introduces qualia, the qualitative feel of experience, as a genuine open problem: physicalism currently has no account of how a physical system could have subjective experience. Kagan argues this doesn't prove dualism is right, since not being able to explain something yet is different from it being impossible, but he treats this as the strongest argument for a soul so far.

Creativity and free will (38:05)

Kagan dismisses the creativity argument, pointing to chess programs, theorem-proving software and music-generation software producing genuinely new results. He then lays out the free-will argument in three premises and closes by flagging that the next lecture will examine whether each premise actually holds.

Before you watch

  • This lecture continues the series of arguments for the soul begun in Lecture 3; the qualia and free-will discussions build directly on that lecture's reasoning argument.
  • No prior familiarity with Plato is assumed, but you should start reading the Phaedo alongside this lecture, as instructed.

Check your understanding

  1. Why does Kagan generally treat views expressed by the character Socrates as Plato's own?
  2. What is the difference between the behavioral and experiential aspects of an emotion, and why does that distinction matter to the soul debate?
  3. Why does Kagan think 'we don't yet know how to explain consciousness physically' is not the same as 'consciousness cannot be explained physically'?
  4. What are the three premises of the free-will argument for the existence of a soul, and which premise does Kagan suggest deserves the closest scrutiny?

Vocabulary

dialogue (noun)
A written work presented as a conversation between characters.
Plato's Phaedo is a philosophical dialogue.
dramatic setting (noun)
The scene or situation in which a story or dialogue takes place.
The Phaedo's dramatic setting is the day of Socrates' execution.
brute-force (adjective)
Solving a problem by trying every possibility rather than using clever strategy.
Chess programs don't just use brute-force search.
behavioral (adjective)
Relating to observable actions rather than inner experience.
Fear has a behavioral side, like running away.
experiential (adjective)
Relating to what something actually feels like from the inside.
The experiential side of fear is harder to explain physically.
qualia (noun)
The subjective, felt quality of an experience, like what red looks like.
Qualia remain an open problem for physicalism.
subjective experience (noun)
A personal, first-person feeling or perception.
Consciousness involves subjective experience.
novel (adjective)
New and original, not copied from before.
Music-generating software can produce novel results.
theorem-proving (adjective)
Describes software that can logically prove mathematical statements.
Theorem-proving software can produce creative proofs.
free will (noun)
The ability to make choices that are not fully determined by prior causes.
The free-will argument claims we have free will.
determinism (noun)
The view that every event is fully caused by prior events, with only one possible outcome.
Determinism says the future is fixed by the past.
premise (noun)
A statement assumed to be true, used to support a conclusion in an argument.
The free-will argument has three premises.
scholarly convention (noun)
An accepted practice among researchers for interpreting texts.
There is a scholarly convention about reading Plato dialogues.
exhaustive search (noun)
Checking every possible option one by one.
Chess programs do not rely on exhaustive search alone.
science fiction (noun)
Fiction involving imagined future technology or science.
Kagan uses science fiction robots as examples.
depressed (adjective)
Feeling persistent sadness or low mood.
A robot can be described as behaving depressed.
account (explanation) (noun)
A description or explanation of how something works.
Physicalism currently has no account of subjective experience.
genuinely (adverb)
Truly and authentically, not just in appearance.
Some programs produce genuinely new musical pieces.
caveat (noun)
A warning or condition attached to a statement.
Kagan gives a caveat about early and late dialogues.
undercut (verb)
To weaken the basis of an argument.
Learned strategy undercuts the claim that reasoning needs a soul.

Chapters

From the YouTube description

Death (PHIL 176)

After a brief introduction to Plato's Phaedo, more arguments are offered in this lecture in defense of the existence of an immaterial soul. The emphasis here is on the fact that we need to believe in the existence of a soul in order to explain the claim that we possess free will. This is an argument dualists use as an objection to the physicalists: since no merely physical entity could have free will, there must be more to us than just being a physical object.

00:00 - Chapter 1. Introduction to Plato's Phaedo
08:27 - Chapter 2. Creativity and Reason in Machines
13:43 - Chapter 3. Feelings in Machines, from Marvin to Hal
20:34 - Chapter 4. "Qualia" in Emotion and Consciousness: The Dualist's Defense and Its Weakness
42:20 - Chapter 5. Free Will as a Defense of the Soul and Conclusion

This course was recorded in Spring 2007.

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